4th September 2022

In a recent interview, Del Bigtree suggested that the world is not ready for the “no virus” conversation. 

We take a different view, which is why the “Settling The Virus Debate” Statement was launched.

Dr Sam and Mark Bailey are joined by Dr Tom Cowan and Dr Andy Kaufman to analyse Bigtree’s strategy. We discuss why we believe the COVID-19 situation should be used to unravel not only the virus model, but the fraud of germ theory as well. 

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  1. I think the point that Del is making is that we live in a society that has been systematically brainwashed from birth to believe in viruses so that when you tell someone that they are mythical and have never been shown to exist they are not interested in the evidence but simply regard you as a nutter who has fallen down a rabbit hole.
    The psychopathic clique that has perpetrated the covid crime against humanity are the same as are perpetrating the climate change fraud and the gender fraud etc. and they are working on the communist model of control where truth is irrelevant but their stated aim is global enslavement and reduction of the population to half a billion. Their technique as summed up by Solzhenitsyn:
    “We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying.”
    “The truth will make you free” is of course a famous quote from Jesus Christ. The position of today’s politicians and many others was summed up by Pilate’s throw away comment, “What is truth?” Yet this question was answered in its deepest meaning by Christ: “I am the way and the truth and the life.” But in today’s world you will struggle to find a million people who accept Christ’s teaching in its totality. The narrow way has no appeal to the modern liberal mind. It picks and chooses its truths to suit its own desires.
    This has led to our current world where councils are the enemies of their ratepayers, governments are the enemies of their citizens and the man sitting on the papal throne is doing everything he can to destroy the Catholic Church. A total diabolic disorientation.
    They say that Satan’s greatest victory was to convince the world that he doesn’t exist. I would add that one of his minor victories was to convince the world that viruses do.

  2. Today (12/28/2023) Del Bigtree promoted (again) a matching-dollars, year-end fundraiser to sustain the Highwire’s budget of undisclosed millions. Del admits there are wealthy donors at the top, capable of donating one dollar for every dollar the increasingly impoverished Highwire viewers at the bottom can manage to scrape together on their charge cards. The names and numbers of the matching-fund millionaires is, so-far, classified. – So, it’s increasingly disingenuous that Bigtree proudly claims nobody tells him what topics report while systematically avoiding guests who advocate Terrain and expose Germ Theory lies. It’s also obvious that “not-so-independent reporter”, Jeffery Jaxen, has been sworn to silence too.

  3. ”“Do you not understand that whatever enters into the mouth goes into the stomach, and is cast out in the sewer? “But what comes out of the mouth comes from the heart, and these defile the man. “For out of the heart come forth wicked reasonings, murders, adulteries, whorings, thefts, false witnessings, slanders. “These defile the man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man.”“ ‭‭Mattithyahu (Matthew)‬ ‭15‬:‭17‬-‭20‬ ‭TS2009‬‬

    The understanding of the biblical verse here is that in ancient times people believed that demons would make one sick due to not washing the hands. However, Yeshua put the Pharisees in their places when he reproved and rebuked them. I guess the demons evolved now to be so-called viruses. Lol. All jokes aside, this is eye-opening and a very interesting conversation. I’m glad that El Shaddai, YHWH is using you all to shine a light on the fraud of the allopathic community.

  4. “How does a human being, a man or a woman, know that something exists? Because it’s actually very simple. If you want to know whether a screwdriver exists, you make a definition of a screwdriver, and then you go in the natural habitat of the screwdriver, which is the toolbox, and then you go and find one, if it’s even there, and then you isolate it and then you characterize it and then isolate it, or isolate it and then characterize it, and then you see what it does. The same thing with an elephant…”

    The analogy, albeit for larger illustrative purposes (I have to imagine) of a tool in a toolbox to an elephant in Africa is altogether absurd. Why not an elephant in a zoo? Or a screwdriver in a hardware store? How about all the screwdrivers lined up on the conveyor in the assembly plant? Or any of the animals being intentionally raised for slaughter? The point is you cannot separate living things from their environments or they will die. Simply consider that we cannot travel anyone outside our natural earthly environment without bringing a containerized version of this earth’s atmosphere with us, lest we do. We are inseparable from our environment, which is another way of saying we arise mutually and we are wholly dependent on each other such that any real separation for any length of time on a practical, tangible level results in our immediate death. On the other hand, you can take a hammer out of any of the aforementioned environments and throw it in field or a gutter in an alley and it will “survive” for a long, long time.

    These guys need to read up on their Alan Watts. Maybe also try “Science, Hegemony and Violence” although that is a hard book to get. The work of Ivan Illich also comes to mind. Finally, you yourselves have fallen into the expertise trap. I just hard Kaufmann on another show selling his detox program and literally referring to himself as an expert at the end of the show! At what point in time did this sort of self-absorbed arrogance become the norm?

  5. “We can’t really call germ theory a theory, and we certainly can’t call terrain theory a theory because terrain sort of encompasses a lot of theories really, it’s much more a PHILOSOPHY (I.e. not ‘hard’ science) of health, but the PHILOSOPHY (not ‘hard’ science) of terrain and the PHILOSOPHY (not ‘hard’ science) of germs causing disease are diametrically opposed. So you can’t really have it both ways, you know, oil and water don’t mix no matter what you do, and adding soap just makes it a greasy mess.”

    Where to begin with this. Let’s quote Kaufmann himself, shall we:


    Now, we can obviously understand what Kaufmann is saying here, certainly in light of those wholly bizarre, almost otherworldly utterances from Mikovits. The point is this is completely inconsistent with their own use of a ‘hard’ science such as chemistry to combat the idiocy of viral theory. They are moving in and out of disciplines and methods, using whichever they see fit to make their own argument. This is, in and of itself, a clear violation of the most rudimentary scientific principles.

    As I rather clumsily attempted to illustrate above, this is a problem of vivisection run amok in the expectation of finding something based on the same recurring theory which is almost certainly itself wrong. It is akin to physics envy, but in this case it’s the physicists and ‘hard’ and ‘closed’ sciences themselves casting their ghastly net over the ‘biological’ world that we are inseparable from.

    You can call it philosophy, you can call it science, you can call it a grilled cheese sandwich. Your mind will keep trying in desperation to make sense of everything.

    You can shoot a rocket into space with a pathetically and pathologically desperate human being inside. But you’ll never find an elephant on the moon.

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